has anyone successfully installed vista on sis chipset

Have a gigabyte motherboard that is running a Sis964 Raid SATA chip. The drive are set as IDE in the Bios, but everytime I try to install vista I get numerous and different error messages. If I install to my EIDE drive, the OS installs correctly with NO error messages.
Anyone have any Ideas here?
Glenn

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"Greatwhite" wrote in message

Have a gigabyte motherboard that is running a Sis964 Raid SATA chip. The drive are set as IDE in the Bios, but everytime I try to install vista I get numerous and different error messages. If I install to my EIDE drive, the OS installs correctly with NO error messages.
Anyone have any Ideas here?
Glenn

Thanks for the reply, did a search of all forums and did not find any posts dealing with my perticular chipset, but did find a couple that may help, will have to wait until I get home to try
Glenn
"Mark D. VandenBeg" wrote:

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"Greatwhite" wrote in message Have a gigabyte motherboard that is running a Sis964 Raid SATA chip. The drive are set as IDE in the Bios, but everytime I try to install vista I get numerous and different error messages. If I install to my EIDE drive, the OS installs correctly with NO error messages.
Anyone have any Ideas here?
Glenn

FYI Expect no sympathy from gigabyte. I have posted this message earlier/ Kind regards Tony Thijs
message Last year I bought a Gigabyte SINXP1394 mobo with a Apollo Geforce FX 5500 GPU. I have problems locating drivers for the embedded 3112 Silicon Image SATA controller. According to Silicon Image this is a OEM product where Mobo manufacturers are responsible for driver development. I have a written statement of Gigabyte stating that:,, We will wait until the final release of Vista with driver development and let it depend on market demand whether we will start developing a driver. for the SIL 3112 on the SINXP1394 mobo. Of course that is an effective way of letting people throw away their mobo. Has anyone experience with ASUS, ABIT or other mobo manufacturers concerning the 3x12 series of Silicon Image sata controllers in their embedded form and drivers for Vista? I talked with the largest Dutch consumer organisation and according to them Gigabyte won't get away with this support policy Kind regards, Tony Thijs Oriolus
For "Greatwhite" wrote in message

Have a gigabyte motherboard that is running a Sis964 Raid SATA chip. The drive are set as IDE in the Bios, but everytime I try to install vista I get numerous and different error messages. If I install to my EIDE drive, the OS installs correctly with NO error messages.
Anyone have any Ideas here?
Glenn

Tony Thijs wrote:

FYI Expect no sympathy from gigabyte. I have posted this message earlier/ Kind regards Tony Thijs
message Last year I bought a Gigabyte SINXP1394 mobo with a Apollo Geforce FX 5500 GPU. I have problems locating drivers for the embedded 3112 Silicon Image SATA controller. According to Silicon Image this is a OEM product where Mobo manufacturers are responsible for driver development. I have a written statement of Gigabyte stating that:,, We will wait until the final release of Vista with driver development and let it depend on market demand whether we will start developing a driver. for the SIL 3112 on the SINXP1394 mobo. Of course that is an effective way of letting people throw away their mobo. Has anyone experience with ASUS, ABIT or other mobo manufacturers concerning the 3x12 series of Silicon Image sata controllers in their embedded form and drivers for Vista? I talked with the largest Dutch consumer organisation and according to them Gigabyte won't get away with this support policy

That motherboard is at least three years old. I know you don't want to hear this but in the computer world that is ancient. I expect that sometime after Vista is released you will be able to find drivers for the SIL 3112 controller. You may even be lucky enough to find some after the RC1 or RTM releases are out. I wouldn't expect them to be motherboard specific from the motherboard manufacturer of a four year old motherboard (at the time of the scheduled Vista general release). The computer industry just doesn't work that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after you quit manufacturing it.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

That motherboard is at least three years old. I know you don't want to hear this but in the computer world that is ancient. I expect that sometime after Vista is released you will be able to find drivers for the SIL 3112 controller. You may even be lucky enough to find some after the RC1 or RTM releases are out. I wouldn't expect them to be motherboard specific from the motherboard manufacturer of a four year old motherboard (at the time of the scheduled Vista general release). The computer industry just doesn't work that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after you quit manufacturing it.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca

I'll bet he got a "great deal," though!

I'll bet he got a "great deal," though!

Consumer class motherboards are so cheap they are all a good deal. I can never understand why people but the cheapest motherboard then buy expensive name brand RAM, video cards etc to install on it. The motherboard in question is actually a decent board as far as SIS boards go but for a few dollars more he could have bought an Intel or VIA based board.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca

Absolutely right. This is probably the last time I buy anything else then Intel or VIA based motherboards. Furthermore I had no idea that the motherboard was that old. It supports DDR 400 and SATA which rates it Vista ready according to the Windows Vista Upgrade advisor. The thing is that it was sold in retail stores all over Amsterdam last year. That takes care of my problems anyway. Consumer rules in the Netherlands -and the european union for that matter- are very strict. Really something to think of when you release software or hardware in the European countries. Here the date of sale is the only thing that counts. There are documented cases in court that state that products should be supported by manufacturers long after the warrantee periiod has expired Now I almost feel a bit sorry for Gigabyte. Their products are not really bad, but they should realize that the European Union has different rules then the rest of the world. Which in itself is not so suprprising. Furthermore their Commercial Manager Northern Europe offered to replace the motherboard for a newer version. That is a generous offer, but I would rather see that Gigabyte adheres to the rules and delivers well tested drivers. After all, the Silicon Image 3x12 RAID Chipset is applied in a host of Gigabyte products that can run for years if the right drivers are present. From that perspective Gigabyte is victem of their own sense of quality. The SINXP1394 was way ahead of competition, resulting in a long lifecycle in general compared to the competition. Tony Thijs
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

I'll bet he got a "great deal," though!
Consumer class motherboards are so cheap they are all a good deal. I can never understand why people but the cheapest motherboard then buy expensive name brand RAM, video cards etc to install on it. The motherboard in question is actually a decent board as far as SIS boards go but for a few dollars more he could have bought an Intel or VIA based board.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca

I would be quite surprised if the laws forced a manufacturer to support an OS that wasn't released when the motherboard was sold. There are drivers for XP which was current when the motherboard was sold. If a patch for XP broke the drivers then I can see that Gigabyte would be obligated to fix it. How can you expect them to support something that didn't exist at the time of the sale? If you bought a car and a couple of years later someone developed a new fuel that needed a different timing and air/fuel ratio would the car manufacturers be obligated to reprogram the car's computer to work with the new fuel even if the old fuel was still readily available?
My reference to Intel and VIA wasn't to imply that there would be drivers available if you had a motherboard based on those chipsets. It was just that I believe they are better chipsets than SIS.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca
Tony Thijs wrote:

Absolutely right. This is probably the last time I buy anything else then Intel or VIA based motherboards. Furthermore I had no idea that the motherboard was that old. It supports DDR 400 and SATA which rates it Vista ready according to the Windows Vista Upgrade advisor. The thing is that it was sold in retail stores all over Amsterdam last year. That takes care of my problems anyway. Consumer rules in the Netherlands -and the european union for that matter- are very strict. Really something to think of when you release software or hardware in the European countries. Here the date of sale is the only thing that counts. There are documented cases in court that state that products should be supported by manufacturers long after the warrantee periiod has expired Now I almost feel a bit sorry for Gigabyte. Their products are not really bad, but they should realize that the European Union has different rules then the rest of the world. Which in itself is not so suprprising. Furthermore their Commercial Manager Northern Europe offered to replace the motherboard for a newer version. That is a generous offer, but I would rather see that Gigabyte adheres to the rules and delivers well tested drivers. After all, the Silicon Image 3x12 RAID Chipset is applied in a host of Gigabyte products that can run for years if the right drivers are present. From that perspective Gigabyte is victem of their own sense of quality. The SINXP1394 was way ahead of competition, resulting in a long lifecycle in general compared to the competition. Tony Thijs
"Kerry Brown" wrote in message
I'll bet he got a "great deal," though!
Consumer class motherboards are so cheap they are all a good deal. I can never understand why people but the cheapest motherboard then buy expensive name brand RAM, video cards etc to install on it. The motherboard in question is actually a decent board as far as SIS boards go but for a few dollars more he could have bought an Intel or VIA based board.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca

Keny, <<The computer industry just doesn't work that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after you quit manufacturing it.

I know, thats whý law enforcement has been invented. Dutch consumer

organisations have been rather effective in enforcing rules about product continuation., backed up by the European Union. That's why I have been carefull investing in own software development projects and specially carefull about what is put in SLA's. Watch out to restrict liability to heavy for a product that really gets popular because that's really inviting the legal sharks for breakfast :-). Gigabyte As a matter of fact, after some friendly wakeup calls Gigabyte Taiwan decided to support the Silicon Image 3x12 SATA I RAID chipsets after the region manager Benelux and Nordics had been explained what consqeuences not deleviring drivers would have. As Gigabyte is also producing for renowned brands this means a significant expansion of devices supported by Vista I wrote this about it: Gigabyte takes the lead in legacy support for Vista drivers
Although it is the distribution responsibility of motherboard manufacturers like Gigabyte and Abit to supply a customized SATA Vista driver for the Silicon Image 3x12 (and later versions), they have to wait for Silicon Image microcode before they can adapt that code and recompile a dedicated driver for all involved legacy or near legacy motherboards.
Gigabyte is the first to make a statement indicating that as soon as Silicon Image delivers the microcode, Gigabyte will start customization for the Silicon Image 3x12 RAID controllers. See attached statement from Gigabyte Taiwan.
This is of course slightly more then changing the .inf, but definitely not a long process.
Microsoft should be happy with Gigabyte, as the usefulness of much useful legacy or near legacy equipment is extended by this and makes involved equipment suitable for a Windows Platform upgrade.

Meanwhile owners of Sil 3x12 chipsets should take a couple of things into consideration when using Vista beta's with embedded versions of a Silicon Image Sil 3x12 SATA RAID chipset.

Seven steps to an sane Vista system with the Silicon Image 3x12 SATA RAID controller J
1.. Download the Silicon Image base version (when only 1 disk is attached to the SATA controllerattached) and Raid driver (when attaching two drives regardless of the fact that they are in a non raid configuration or else) from the Silicon Image website and expand these drivers to an USB stick 2.. Boot from the Vista beta dvd 3.. Have the base or raid (with a r extension) driver ready on an USB stick attached to the system 4.. load the base or raid driver during a clean install of Vista beta2 (I used build 5472) on to an classic ATA boot disk partition 5.. The Vista install will immediately see the SATA disks, thus preventing a later mix up of drive letters 6.. Silicon Image (or any mobo manufacturer) does not recommend this while the driver is originally designed for Silicon Image own pci 3x12 SATA Raid controllers, not for embedded systems like on motherboards, but it works so far 7.. Check Vista's version of Windows update on a regular basis. All suppliers that have their -Signed and Windows Vista Logo compatible- Vista drivers ready will post them for distribution through the Microsoft Windows Update system. <Gigabyte Taiwan statement:
"As for the issue upon Silicon Imgae RAID 3112 chipset of not able to support VISTA Beta:
1) Vista Beta is not an official release retail OS, its major purpose is for Hardware / Software manufacturers to validate their products. And of course, during this validation period uncompatible issues might be found.
2) When uncompatible issues are found, it is confirmed either/both Microsoft or Silicon Image are responsible to find solutions. When there are new solutions drivers available the chipset vendor will then provide to us. After that we will definitly provide the new drivers on our website for end-user to update."
Kind regards,
Tony Thijs
Oriolus:

"Kerry Brown" wrote in message

Tony Thijs wrote: FYI Expect no sympathy from gigabyte. I have posted this message earlier/ Kind regards Tony Thijs
message Last year I bought a Gigabyte SINXP1394 mobo with a Apollo Geforce FX 5500 GPU. I have problems locating drivers for the embedded 3112 Silicon Image SATA controller. According to Silicon Image this is a OEM product where Mobo manufacturers are responsible for driver development. I have a written statement of Gigabyte stating that:,, We will wait until the final release of Vista with driver development and let it depend on market demand whether we will start developing a driver. for the SIL 3112 on the SINXP1394 mobo. Of course that is an effective way of letting people throw away their mobo. Has anyone experience with ASUS, ABIT or other mobo manufacturers concerning the 3x12 series of Silicon Image sata controllers in their embedded form and drivers for Vista? I talked with the largest Dutch consumer organisation and according to them Gigabyte won't get away with this support policy
That motherboard is at least three years old. I know you don't want to hear this but in the computer world that is ancient. I expect that sometime after Vista is released you will be able to find drivers for the SIL 3112 controller. You may even be lucky enough to find some after the RC1 or RTM releases are out. I wouldn't expect them to be motherboard specific from the motherboard manufacturer of a four year old motherboard (at the time of the scheduled Vista general release). The computer industry just doesn't work that way. There is not enough profit in a product to develop for it after you quit manufacturing it.
-- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User www.VistaHelp.ca